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Tom Ratliff's avatar

I'm a molecular biologist by training (focused on developmental genetics). I'm not specifically a virologist nor a clinician, but I've used bacteria viruses (phage, so-called because it causes bacteria lysis, which is functionally assayed by plaque-formation) long ago to propagate cDNA libraries. I continue to use lentiviruses as vectors to transfer genes that encode useful reporters (e.g. green fluorescent protein, calcium-indicators) into the genomes of tumor cell lines. My former colleague has used AAV successfully in gene therapy experiments in mice. The virus-deniers really don't know what to make of these lab applications that rely on viruses: e.g., how did GFP (from jelly fish) get into the human cancer cell line, if not by retroviral integration? Witchcraft? Lol. I've said that telling a trained scientist that viruses don't exist is like telling a mobile phone user that radio waves don't exist, or like telling a bicyclist that wheels don't exist. It's a non-starter.

Given the reality of viruses, I am suspicious of the leaders of the "viruses don't exist" movement. In the most charitable case, the leaders are extroverted, ignorant laymen; but, in the worst case, they're grifting charlatans working to divide the community and distract it from solving real problems (if I learned they were paid intelligence assets, I wouldn't be surprised). At any rate, if the movement wants to be taken seriously, they are free to submit letters to the editors of the journals publishing virus-related papers and demand that said papers be retracted for specified reasons (ideally showing that something isn't reproducible). Because that's how the scientific method actually works. Youtube video presentations and Substack articles aren't going to get any traction. But perhaps the leaders don't want any real traction, rather just enough attention to attract a constant flow of donations from their gullible followers.

Hats off to you, Dr. Palmer, and to Dr. Bhakdi, for taking time away from clearly more pressing matters to address the virus deniers. But "pearls before swine" comes to mind. They're basically a cult of ignorance, an internet phenomenon facilitated by being siloed in an echo chamber. They're generally harmless because the chamber is so small and nobody outside the chamber pays any mind to them. So I think it is best to just ignore them. They'll go away without the attention. Once the donation well runs dry, the leaders will disappear. I predict that in a few years most of the members will be so ashamed of their behavior and being duped that they'll deny ever taking part.

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Aldhissla's avatar

"Our review found no human experimental studies published in the English-language literature delineating person-to-person transmission of influenza."

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/37/8/1094/2013282

Have you read the book 'Can You Catch A Cold?' by Daniel Roytas?

Over 100 studies attesting the non-contagiousness of polio: https://aldhissla.substack.com/p/the-case-against-polio-contagion

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